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Beyond Belief '06 - Neil deGrasse Tyson



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Sunday, November 5th - Neil deGrasse Tyson gives examples of the apparent un-intelligent design of the cosmos.
***CORRECTION - the date in the titles is correct. the day is not. this took place on sunday.***
www.beyondbelief2006.org
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is he an athiest? ( 2 months ago by nulife799)
is he an athiest?
athiest or agnostic ... ( 2 months ago by jcadwell1172)
athiest or agnostic...heck, maybe panthiest, but def. not a thiest of any sort.
EXTREMELY WELL SAID ... ( 2 months ago by jcadwell1172)
EXTREMELY WELL SAID, GAIJAKE.
I see all kinds of ... ( 2 months ago by chenalos)
I see all kinds of problems with Christianity. I have seen none in Christ.
Yes you do actually ... ( 2 months ago by chenalos)
Yes you do actually have to choose not to believe in God. It's called free will.
The reason people have to choose to or not to believe in God is because the human condition makes us aware of a higher power. Whether you are theist or atheist, you grasp, and cannot avoid the concept of God. It's the nature of humanity.
Few things here, ... ( 2 months ago by GAIJAKE)
Few things here, first, prove free will, second of all, you obviously don't have to choose, and no one is 'aware' of a higher power, most people will have the idea of a possible higher power, but obviously not all people, also, my statement was that you don't have to ACTIVELY choose to believe or lack belief, the point is, if you merely do not actively choose to believe, then it counts as no action taken, so you would not be ACTIVELY believing or lacking belief. Learn to read before responding.
Actually, there is ... ( 2 months ago by CatastrophicDisaster)
Actually, there is no such thing as Free Will. Choice is purely an illusion---I have no clue how that little lie developed. Every 'choice' is a result of brain chemistry. No one can defy this.
-DisasCatas
Array ( 2 months ago by CatastrophicDisaster)
Nor have I.
Mainly because I don't believe he existed. Well, not as the Son of God.
-DisasCatas
oh so pantheism ... ( 2 months ago by No29Smirnoff)
oh so pantheism isnt theistic? its latin for all god, saying they worship everything, as in matter itself, is god. his facts are correct, but he forgets that there is NO proof supporting the theory of evolution, none whatsoever. he tries to make god look like an asshole but in reality almost all of the human related things are things we bring upon ourselves
FREEDOM OF ... ( 1 month ago by Hottides)
FREEDOM OF CONSCIENCE!!
The concept of God ... ( 1 month ago by pecierpoldo)
The concept of God is not universal. The concept of the ineffable is, of course. Buddhism, for instance, does not have a theistic concept, but it still has a concept of a 'higher reality'.
There is no ... ( 1 month ago by chenalos)
There is no civilization on this planet that has not developed a concept of a higher power. Show me one.
The God-concept and manufacturing of idols pre-dates even the oldest structures. It is the nature of mankind to perceive of God.
If there is no free ... ( 1 month ago by chenalos)
If there is no free will then our fate is either the result of deistic predestination, or strict causality in a godless universe. If God is in control of everything there would be no such thing as evil, he would not allow it. If causality were in control of everything, the concepts of good and evil would be weightless and irrelevant.
Since there is evil in this world, and since there is weight between good and evil, we must have free will.
That's my argument, anyway.
If you would define ... ( 1 month ago by pecierpoldo)
If you would define the word 'God' to mean a 'higher power', then I would have to agree with you.
However, I used the word 'God' in my comment to mean the Western, mainly Judeo-Christian concept of God - a personal overlord governing all the affairs of the cosmos. This of course, is obviously not universal. Your very example is a case in point.
I hold it that pantheism and transcendentalism, the tendency to be awed by nature and mystery, is more universal.
'causality in ... ( 1 month ago by GAIJAKE)
'causality in control' is deliciously misleading, I'll give you one credit, you can spin bullshit to make it look like you have a tenable viewpoint to people who are won over by premises based on a dichotomy which is based on 'fate', 'good' and 'evil' are more of these, and again, if god was in control of everything, why would there be no evil, well done for attributing labels to a being that probably doesn't exist, and almost certainly not in the state that you believe.
Based on the fact ... ( 1 month ago by GAIJAKE)
Based on the fact that the premises are false, and the steps of reasoning aren't all logically valid, you may as well have just said the conclusion and said it was true regardless of what anyone disagreeing says, it would still obviously be invalid to do that, but would have saved you time, and me responding, as there would be no point responding to someone who would say something like that, just like how I am not going to respond to No29Smirnoff's comment at the bottom of the page.
This is because ... ( 1 month ago by GAIJAKE)
This is because humans demand knowledge even if it is unsatisfactory, unproven, or just false, this is why the idea of higher beings are created, to explain what we don't currently know, I disagree with the fact that this is done, as it can just end curiousity, the only fact it doesn't is because humans also compartmentalise and ignore that they are believing two contradictory things.
Being the first to ... ( 1 month ago by chenalos)
Being the first to resort to the word "Bullshit" I conclude you suck at debating.
I will not intertube fight with your ranting.
Wow, all my points ... ( 1 month ago by GAIJAKE)
Wow, all my points have been destroyed, fantastic, this has got to be the best day ever, thinking that you've won a debate or are the better debater because I used the term bullshit proves that I am always wrong.
And think about it ... ( 1 month ago by chenalos)
And think about it really, all my youtube submissions are stupid Anime Music Videos, If you've got better things to do than bug an AMV editor, just go do them.
Hey everybody, go watch my AMVs, give me a low score maybe God will keep them 5-star anyway.
(Hint: He won't)
It's misleading and ... ( 1 month ago by chenalos)
It's misleading and dangerous for anyone to think that their concept of God and the nature of God as being one in the same.
To many preachers have used their God concept to manipulate others. It is quite dangerous.
My argument is that we all share the same perception. And that there is a purpose and reason and a validity for that perception.
lololol, i wins dis ... ( 1 month ago by GAIJAKE)
lololol, i wins dis intornet argumnt coz lil athist gots nuttin' beta 2 do den argu wit thists on intornet, wen all me do is mak amvs, dis athist is al lyk rararararar but i move away prud to b a thist cos he ent gon chang me cos i strng lyk dat mayn, also i take da morl hi grund cos eiter ways i win dis cos eiter he 'spond nd i tink he idot, or he don spond and i mayke it lok lyk me win cos he got nuttin' to say in sponse.
Also I don't have anything better to do than respond to you on youtube.
I completely agree. ... ( 1 month ago by pecierpoldo)
I completely agree.
As the great pantheist Einstein has said,
"The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. It should transcend personal God and avoid dogma and theology. Covering both the natural and the spiritual, it should be based on a religious sense arising from the experience of all things natural and spiritual as a meaningful unity."
Of course we know Einstein was pertaining to Buddhism.
Haha, a witty quote ... ( 1 month ago by pecierpoldo)
Haha, a witty quote.
But I have to disagree. Einstein's mythical figure in anything outside physics is only a recent development. At the height of Einstein's fame in the 1910's, many Christians hated Einstein for his bold statement of his belief in a non-personal God (or his non-belief in a personal God, if you'd like it that way); many people disagreed with Einstein's theological belief. That was before he was Christianized.
And who else can you quote on pantheism except Einstein & Spinoza?



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