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PERMACULTURE & PEAK OIL: Beyond 'Sustainability'



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David Holmgren is co-originator (with Bill Mollison) of the permaculture concept and author of the recent book, PERMACULTURE: Principles and Pathways Beyond Sustainability. He talks about the need to move beyond the lulling hope that 'green tech' breakthroughs will allow world-wide 'sustainable consumption' to the recognition that dwindling oil supplies inevitably mean a mandatory 'energy descent' for human civilization across the planet. He argues that permaculture principles provide the best guide to a peaceful societal 'powering down."
http://www.holmgren.com.au/html/Publications/Principles.html


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The shift in ... ( 8 months ago by KenMacMillan)
The shift in resource control was an embargo by the Arab members of OPEC, also known as OAPEC. Go to Wikapedia & search "1973 Oil Crisis". Not all of us were born in 1987.
i don't deny the ... ( 8 months ago by jwallbanger)
i don't deny the existence of peak oil, i deny the doomsday theory all the dumb hippies are latching on to. it's like they want society to collapse back to some kind of 17th century farming utopia. they are the ones who make the scam work, since petroleum at it's current price can be easily replaced with coal-to-liquid technology and quite possibly shale oil too. but as long as we believe we're helpless and we just have to pay for expensive gas they can make triple profits on oil indefinitely
but at the time ... ( 8 months ago by jwallbanger)
but at the time only a relatively small amount of our oil came from the middle east. the shortage was manufactured, in order to twist our arm into dumping price control measures and then gouge us out of a bunch of money. and my age has nothing to do with it, don't be so shallow.
you should read ... ( 8 months ago by FerrisWuesten)
you should read about exponential growth and i would like to know your source of information
no offence but our ... ( 8 months ago by dasorga)
no offence but our an idiot, you say the answer is to use other finite resources, well done mate, all your doing is delaying it!!!!!!!!!!!
oh so it's better ... ( 8 months ago by jwallbanger)
oh so it's better to have mass starvation and death? or are you one of those pie-in-the-sky
green technology people? if you are, you certainly have no place calling me an idiot.
CTL will last us hundreds of years, I don't expect we'd actually use it that long, just long enough to mitigate disaster while new, better technologies are developed.
I agree that as ... ( 8 months ago by tarlow00)
I agree that as long as worst case scenarios of catastrophe can be avoided they should be. The fact are that there are technologies that are already better that the prominent oil Companies who control vast capital are suppressing? Many of these industries affecting our global economy go hand in hand check out Who killed Electric Car Movie & book Internal Combusttion How Corporations & Governments Addicted the World to Oil & Derailed the Alternatives. Oil is finite there other energy resources.
Frank Herbert's ... ( 8 months ago by tarlow00)
Frank Herbert's covered these issues taking into consideration political & social contexts as well. In a Mother Earth News interview he talks about techonologies and modern conveiences we would first want to replace should civilization as we know it end in one of these ways.
yep. electric cars ... ( 8 months ago by jwallbanger)
yep. electric cars should have replaced internal combustion 20 years ago. but they didn't. I've seen that movie and they blame the willfully ignorant consumer as much as big oil. you can't force solutions on people, if they truly wanted them they would have been here long before peak oil. most people are quite stupid about such things, they want to drive big cars while the gas is cheap and not worry. we have peak oil now and gas cars, CTL is our only real, certain hope for right now.
dead on!exactly! ( 8 months ago by tomterahedrob)
dead on!exactly!
I am just beginning ... ( 7 months ago by tubeuser71)
I am just beginning to think about all of this and i am very happy to have heard your ideas and takes on things. You have got me thinking. I will be actively reading, listening and studying ideas and thoughts on solutions. I hope the solution is a co-operative one. I sincerely hope that self-interest at the cost of humanities interest does not get in the way. Thanks for your thoughts. All the best Scott, Jay and Poe.
Great mind opener. ... ( 7 months ago by egsnyder)
Great mind opener. It's nice to see an expert calmly discussing the powering down of society which is of course inevitable as we deplete the world supply of petroleum.
Europe reached the ... ( 7 months ago by Chaffinch4)
Europe reached the peak of its sustainability around 1500?! Post PO farming without mechanical aid or artificial fertilizer would be v hard -- especially for a nation where few are farmers or even used to physical labor. Canada has about 3.5 people per sq km compared to Russia (8.5), US (35), Mexico (52), Cuba (101), France (110), China (138), UK (250), Japan (340), Netherlands (478), Bangladesh (1020) and Singapore (1261). I don't have figures for land usable for organic farming.
Cuba has achieved ... ( 7 months ago by Chaffinch4)
Cuba has achieved miracles and after a lot of pain I suspect the US will survive. Not so sure about us Europeans! Can the UK survive on one acre per person? The hard truth is that without cheap energy many countries appear to have population levels that will be impossible to maintain PO.
LUV ( 6 months ago by SerVerdadeiro)
LUV
Nice interview. ... ( 6 months ago by newculture)
Nice interview. Good points on sustainability and permaculture.
Basically Trying to ... ( 5 months ago by WakingMindsDOTorg)
Basically Trying to Converge The Digital Scene with the Sustainability/Green Scene.
Anyone into this sort of thing?
check it: WakingMinds . Org
Gr8 to hear an ... ( 4 months ago by maranatha2000)
Gr8 to hear an optimistic view on the issue. All I've been hearing is doom and gloom. Fanx for postin this vid and expanding my perspective:)
Wonderful video... ... ( 4 months ago by Rawmodel)
Wonderful video...it will inspire you to do the same. Check out my project at Rawmodeldotcom...
again, great video. Act now while you still can.
What percentage of ... ( 4 months ago by kendanielone)
What percentage of Americans do you think would live in rural areas if we converted to permaculture?
did you watch the ... ( 1 month ago by sciath)
did you watch the video? He had nothing optimistic to say about the future.. he discarded all positive outcome theories and basically said we're on a downward slope with no hope of revival
Its scary to think ... ( 1 month ago by sciath)
Its scary to think about the fact that grocery stores, while seemingly so plentiful in food it gives off the illusion of an infinite resource, only hold less then a week's supply.. if the shit hits the fan it'll take less then a week before people go hungry and when someone's kids are starving they will do anything
Scaith, we (in the ... ( 1 month ago by seth553)
Scaith, we (in the US) are trained to believe that unlimited economic growth is the key to success and happiness. Just not true. It's natural to resist change, but the ability to adapt is what keeps us alive.
Pay special attention to Holmgren's words about species becoming more co-operative in low-energy ecosystems. No "gated communities" anymore (see Jared Diamond). Support a local organic farmer by joining a CSA, and learn a low-energy trade. That's how we prevent the grocery-store riots.
If you think ... ( 4 weeks ago by irkone)
If you think Holmgren is not optimistic, you aren't too familiar with reality as it is. Listen to some Richard Heinberg or Jay Hanson or Michael Klare or James Hansen or Sir David King. Colin Duncan, James Howard Kunstler, Peter Ward, Robert Jensen, Derrick Jensen, Jonathan Overpeck, James Speth. Just a list of some scientists, historians, activists, philosophers and social theorists who make Holmgren look like the figure of hope for humanity.



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