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Agnosticism doesn't take into account what we do know, and what people actually claim about god, which makes it false. Not to mention defeatist. We can learn things about god conclusively. The science, reason, and logic can lead to arguments that count as proofs.
God doesn't exist. Ideally that means we can move on to other things, but until belief is gone, what else can we do but engage in the debate that could adjust the structure of how we look at the universe.
The last points of evidence that I listed (there are many more and we can go into greater detail with each of these.
61. The existence of ethical dilemmas within your afterlife's construction.
62. The non-existence of anything actually perfect upon which we can reflect.
63. The temporary nature of life and religions inability to explain this.
64. The ability of evolution to explain all biological processes.
65. The ability of geology to explain the Earth's formation and shape.
66. The ability of physics to explain the creation of the universe without a creator.
67. The ability of physics to explain the formation of matter without a creator.
68. The ability of abiogenesis research to explain the formation of duplicating living material without a creator.
69. The weaknesses in the arguments for biblical literalism.
70. The weaknesses in the arguments for creationism.
71. The weaknesses in arguments for intelligent design.
72. The existence of mental disorders.
73. The desire for eternal life and its motivation of individuals.
74. The desire for perfection and its motivation of individuals.
75. The desire for comfort and its motivation of individuals.
76. The desire for parental figures and its motivation for individuals.
77. The desire for security and its motivation for individuals.
78. The fear of death and its motivation for individuals.
79. The existence of emotional instability and its motivation for individuals.
80. The complete failure of any evidence for the supernatural.
81. The petty nature of many religious people concerning minor things.
82. The nonsensical rules supposedly laid down by a perfect being don't fit with their impact on the world.
83. The fact that those rules create discomfort.
84. The fact that those rules create disorder.
85. The fact that those rules create suffering.
86. The fact that those rules aren't consistent between religions.
87. The fact that those rules aren't consistent between religious sects.
88. The fact that those rules aren't consistent between religious believers.
89. The ability to interpret supposedly holy texts in many different ways.
90. The ability to interpret the words of supposedly holy people in many different ways.
91. The commonplace lies that flow from religious zealots about any issue at any time.
92. The attack upon women's rights by the religious.
93. The attack upon human rights by the religious.
94. The attack upon reason by the religious.
95. The convergence of all of these different disparate confirmed and relevant facts upon god's non-existence, which you will reject regardless of argument.
All of these along with many more do not fit with a loving, omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, personal god. There is no way that your god exists, and formed the world to make it seem as if he did not. There is no way that he created people to have them suffer, spending lives in pain and eternities without his comfort. There is no way that he set up pleasurable activities just to disallow them.
Your god doesn't exist, neither does your heaven or your hell. You have a mind, not a soul, and prayer is talking to yourself.


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Also, the reason ... ( 3 weeks ago by charvelgtrs)
Also, the reason why I truely believe in a God, is because their is a balance of life.
When you really compare the two..... athiests and people of organized religion, they all believe in "nothing" in a sense. Guess what this "nothing" is?
"FAITH"
The biggest flaw ... ( 3 weeks ago by charvelgtrs)
The biggest flaw with humans, is that unless they personally have either seen, touched, smell, tasted, or can hear doesn't exist.
You know what crayons didn't always exist, but somehow we solved that problem.
Think about this in an Alien point of view, that is a civilation without crayons. They have never seen, felt, tasted, smelled, or can hear a crayon, so their Scientists come up with a theory, since we can't identify an object with our own senses, this proves crayons do not exist.
Your alien ... ( 3 weeks ago by mtheoryrules)
Your alien civilization analogy improbable as it seems more likely that they would not concieve a particular writting utencile we call crayons.
Alien scientist would not formulate a theory that if you can not identify an object it must not exist.
That is absurd, our scientist do not do this about alien writting utencils?
Beliefs are not the ... ( 3 weeks ago by mtheoryrules)
Beliefs are not the same as knowledge.
You can believe something that is false or something that is true.
Knowledge is a claim that a truth about reality can be demonstrated.
Nothing is not faith. Nothing is the lack of existence.
Existence exists, therefore nothing is a logical impossibility.
Science is methodical reasoning so that we can better understand our own existence, unlike religion science changes in light of new iformation. Religion requires belief, science requires knowledge.
Still, nobody has ... ( 3 weeks ago by charvelgtrs)
Still, nobody has knowlege that a God exists, or does not exist.
All we know is what we can identify with our human senses.
Fact #1: Evolution is a reality.
Fact #2: Evolution being a reality has no way of proving a God exists, or doesn't exist. What is does is make all biblical Gods seem less likely.
Fact #3: God wasn't invented out of religon. Since man could identify himself as a unique conciousness, the thought of a deity was subconciousnessly in our heads the whole time.
Even Scientists ... ( 3 weeks ago by charvelgtrs)
Even Scientists know that humans have a limited mind and that we can't just toss the idea of something existing outside our own knowledge, just because we could never understand it in this form of life.
Also, what the hell do we need to prove a God exists? A form, hearing it? Is this what athiesm is based out of, that A. God does not exists, because we can't identify it with our own senses and limited mind.
LOL
Lastly, and this ... ( 3 weeks ago by charvelgtrs)
Lastly, and this will be my last comment on this topic.
Religon in of itself is what created athiesm, not God per say.
It goes like this, a boy grows up and is told that a biblical God exists, so boy usually believes in it. As boy grows up he sees contradiction from the biblical God and the world/universe and gets confused. Boy, sees terrible random acts of hatred and brutality in the human civilization. So, boy ends up turning to Science, because they give him something he can identify.
So, because boy ... ( 3 weeks ago by charvelgtrs)
So, because boy gets "real" knowledge from Science, it must prove that God doesn't exist.
Well, sorry to burst your bubble, but it doesn't prove a God doesn't exist, nor does it prove it does.
The biggest issue is that we still have problems identifying things in our own reality, yet we think that other humans can unravel the innerworkings of life and it's meaning. hahhahaahahah
This is what makes life so great, mystery. So, believe in what you will, Science, God, or a badass Dragon.
Well the obvious ... ( 3 weeks ago by andrewsurtees)
Well the obvious FSM, celestial teapot etc arguments come in here. i tend to think that certain lines of enquiry are so weak as to be worth abandoning as fruitless pending possible future information (likely or not). I acept that agnosticism, of all positions, is certainly not a position of faith. the impasse lies at the point that some people choose to regard the unprovable as simply not proven, and others fundamentally disregard the unprovable as irrelevant.
Confirmable ... ( 3 weeks ago by spymaster2)
Confirmable imaginary phenomena like the FSM used as an analogy to God is such flawed logic, I find it hard to believe people actually use it. The glaring mistake in YOUR argument is that unprovable phenomena such as the FSM and Teapot are indeed irrelevant, but the phenomena of the human soul, after life and God are extremely significant possibilities. These things are relevant for multiple reasons whether they exist or not.
Sure, I'm agnostic ... ( 3 weeks ago by spymaster2)
Sure, I'm agnostic about the FSM because it might exist, but I don't care either way. The idea of God is totally different. Believing or not believing can change a person's outlook on life completely. The existence of God changes the purpose and final destination of our entire lives, while the FSM would just be a ridiculous looking creature. Not only that, but there is actual circumstantial evidence to support a possible God, making the FSM analogy a pointless argument from the start.
However, all of ... ( 3 weeks ago by spymaster2)
However, all of this is beside the point because the actual topic is centered on whether or not agnosticism is false (Which it is not) and bringing up flawed logical arguments like the FSM only supports my point. If agnosticism is correct about something as ridiculous as the FSM then it's just as correct for God. Whether you personally decide that God is irrelevant or not, he still MIGHT exist, and so agnosticism stands as a perfectly viable point of view, and is indeed NOT false. Just admit it.
it's not directly ... ( 3 weeks ago by andrewsurtees)
it's not directly false.
it's like some of the comments i've made on descartes' meditations (you may even have been involved in those debates) which i regard as simply irrelevant. It's essentially impossible to disprove the infinitely unlikely. That certainly doesn't imply a duality, but in my view it doesn't even imply a meaningful debate. the infinitely unlikely is functionally non-existant.
Oh ok, so I'm right ... ( 3 weeks ago by spymaster2)
Oh ok, so I'm right. This video is wrong and agnosticism is NOT false, but you're here arguing with me anyway? Because the debate isn't meaningful? Is that REALLY your argument? I covered the importance of this debate already. It's a question that effects millions of lives, completely changes the impact your actions will have on your existence after death and may in fact be working to effect your life in countless ways under the surface that you don't even know about.
Pretending this not ... ( 3 weeks ago by spymaster2)
Pretending this not a VERY meaningful debate is completely naive. But then, you're here taking part in it, so I have to wonder if you don't actually understand how meaningful it really is. But again, whether this is an important debate or not is beside the point. Agnosticism is NOT false and you know it.
So if you know I'm ... ( 3 weeks ago by spymaster2)
So if you know I'm right, and you don't think this a meaningful debate, why are you here defending a video that is both wrong and (to you) not about a particularly meaningful subject?
ok, well thanks for ... ( 3 weeks ago by andrewsurtees)
ok, well thanks for responding to yourself so many times. Of course this is a meaningful debate in cultural terms - after all, over 2/3 of the occupants of this planet believe in something supernatural. All I'm arguing is the questioning of that in accordance with various renaissance principles.
If all you were ... ( 3 weeks ago by spymaster2)
If all you were arguing was the questioning of faith, there would have been no debate from me. You were arguing that the God believed to exist by people of religious faith can't possibly exist. You were supporting the video's stance that agnosticism is wrong in regard to religion. Basically you were wrong, and rather then admit it you're trying to back peddle and pretend you've been arguing something else. It doesn't work.
This is an argument ... ( 3 weeks ago by BenjaminFranklin2u)
This is an argument for Atheism, not against agnostics.
Fact is Agnostics don't know if God exists and don't CARE!
Agnosticism doesn't have to take into account what do or do not know, because it is logically impossible to prove/disprove the existence of a God
"Fact #3: God ... ( 3 weeks ago by mtheoryrules)
"Fact #3: God wasn't invented out of religon. Since man could identify himself as a unique.."
This is not a fact, it is philosophical speculation regarding the nature of knowledge and how it is aquired. As speculation it has not been demonstrated as the most probable conclusion.
You say that we can not prove that god does not exist, true, but we can reduce some descriptions of god to such low probability that it becomes rational to dismiss such definitions of god as false by virtue of reason.
"Evidence" God does ... ( 3 weeks ago by charvelgtrs)
"Evidence" God does not exist?
First, let me say I think all organized religons were just made up my man, but to say that shows strong evidence that God doesn't exist is freaking ignorance at it's best.
To not believe in a God, just because a Scientist says there is no hard evidence, is no different than believing in a God, because a book and a priest told you God exists.
If such a God existed, he wouldn't make it easy for us. Hey, did you notice life isn't perfect?
What makes us real? ... ( 3 weeks ago by charvelgtrs)
What makes us real? Scientists, have a problem with something beyond a physical reality, and until there is evidence of a non physical reality than a God must not exist.
Hey, what about virtual reality? It's not a physical reality, yet it exists. It's all about the Matrix man.
Guess what, not only do I believe in Higher Power, but I believe in more than one Higher power, since there is no start of anything, I believe everything is just a always existing circle of life.
Agnosticism ... ( 2 weeks ago by blue4meridian)
Agnosticism suspends judgement on the connotation of that which is trancendent. This includes but is not limited to... Agnostic theism which suspends judgement on the knowledge of that which is trancendent. Agnostic atheism which suspends judgement on the existence of that which is trancendent. Agnostic pantheism which suspends judgement on the phenomenon of that which is trancendent. Agnostic panentheism which suspends judgement on the manifestation of that which is trancendent.
The existence of ... ( 1 day ago by benbourke)
The existence of god cannot be proven or dis-proven logically.
I find straight atheism arrogant and presumptuous though, as is blind faith. The only difference is that Theists seem much happier. Atheism is quite a bleak outlook to have on life lol.
I do not follow a religion but I'm not frustrated with people who do, I wish I had something nice I could believe in.



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