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Tolkien on Rings mythology



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Previously unbroadcast clips from a 1968 interview with JRR Tolkien in which he outlines some of the mythology from Lord of the Rings.
Transcription (thanks to okiltex):
Everybody, including divine spirits under god, makes mistakes in this mythology, and of course the gods made a primary error. Instead of leaving elves and men to find out their way under the guidance of god, they invited the elves because the rebel amongst them, the wicked god Melkor, was alive and devastated a large part of the world.
They took them back into their paradise in the west to protect them, and so the whole machinery starts from the rebellion of the elves, and therefore, in rebellion of the evil they did in their bursting out from paradise.
So what you've got in our period is two lots of elves: The ones that never started, just didn't want to, never bothered to be anything higher than they were, were the ordinary woodland elves of the far-east.
Those who started to go to divine paradise and never got there, which are the grey elves of the west, and those who got and came back as exiled.
The higher elves, who sing this song to Elbereth in the beginning of the Lord of the Rings, are exiled elves who had once known what it was to see the ?emerging? gods in person.
Now dwarves create a difficulty, don't they, in this particular thing. They have certain grievances against men and against elves. They are incarnate in bodies. While they are like ourselves, we don't know much about them, but they apparently are mortal, they are ?longeval?. Where do they come into the scheme? Well of course, a great deal of sort to provide their origin.
I don't think I'll say anything about it at the moment, but they have a rational origin related to their theme, but they are not part of the children of god. That's all I can really say about this.
Men are just men.


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roac, you've proven ... ( 1 month ago by Jitpring)
roac, you've proven that you're capable of troglodytic grunts. Congrats! The truth is, you'll never understand Tolkien's work until you understand that it's inextricably intertwined with his embrace of Catholicism. Search Amazon for these books:
J. R. R. Tolkien's Sanctifying Myth: Understanding Middle-Earth, by Bradley Birzer&Tolkien: Man & Myth, by Joseph Pearce&The Philosophy of Tolkien: The Worldview Behind The Lord of the Rings, by Peter Kreeft
Jitpring you ... ( 1 month ago by roac7777)
Jitpring you believe what you want. I dont give a jot what these so called experts of yours think. It is up to the individual reader to interpret what they wish.
If you want to put Christianity into LOTR good luck to you, but dont ask me to believe it.
What does annoy me are priggish self styled pillocks like you who think they have the answers.
LOTR are dear to my heart and definately not based on Christianity
In the Silmarillion ... ( 1 month ago by roac7777)
In the Silmarillion Ulmo, Mandos and others are described as gods, not angels, akin to the Greek pantheon of gods. You see jitpring, the sagas of middle earth is not Christian based at all. Its about vulnerable heroism, friendship, loyalty. Fundamentalist Christians abhor LOTR even Harry Potter, because its to do with elves wizards and magic aswell as human virtues.
It's not about ... ( 1 month ago by Jitpring)
It's not about believing what I want or believing what you want. It's about believing the truth - regardless of what anyone wants. It's about facts, not desires. Long before I became Catholic, indeed while I was an atheist, I knew that Tolkien's work was absolutely, inextricably intertwined with his Catholicism. You'll never understand his work fully until you realize this. If you really love his work, then you must detach yourself from your fashionable anti-Christianity and open your mind.
You are wrong ... ( 1 month ago by roac7777)
You are wrong Jitpring, you have chosen to ignore my last comment re: the pantheon of gods, that is not Christian based thinking.
However if you wish to think that LOTR & The Silmarillion is riddled with Christian dogma that is your affair.
I am not persuaded by fashionable anti Christian thinking and I have opened my mind, that is why I am against dogma of any kind.
I respect JRRT's beliefs, and he never forced his beliefs onto the reader like CS Lewis did in the Narnia Chronicles
i didnt understand ... ( 4 weeks ago by sigurd0507)
i didnt understand a word he was saying!
His work is more ... ( 4 weeks ago by morgoth195)
His work is more based upon certain European mythologies (Finnish, Celtic, Greek)and his study of linguistics rather than being based off of his faith. Tolkien himself shot down any ties to his work and the church. If I remember correctly, Tolkien himself was absolutely steadfast in his assertion that he was not trying to make any allegorical connection between the two. His writing and his faith were two separate things, unequivocally.
Read Tolkien's letters to CS Lewis, and you will see.
No. Read the books ... ( 4 weeks ago by Jitpring)
No. Read the books I mentioned and you'll see. I know, you fashionable pagans desperately want to deny this truth. Yet it is indeed the truth.
What ties to the ... ( 4 weeks ago by morgoth195)
What ties to the authors of these books have to Tolkien?
Okay - you people ... ( 3 weeks ago by jsgirl154)
Okay - you people are retarded arguing about this religion-based myth thing! Tolkien himself said many times that he wanted each person who reads his books to walk away with their own interpretation! He HATED it when people tried to guess what hidden meaning was behind it all. He wrote it to be an enjoyable piece of fiction - it was never supposed to be this glimpse into his psyche and soul. That's what he hated about allegories! He said that himself...
Thanks jsgirl154, ... ( 3 weeks ago by roac7777)
Thanks jsgirl154, its just how I feel.
I did feel however,compelled to reply to Jitpring because he had the audacity to try and TELL me what I should interpret when reading JRRTs stories.
No one has the right to tell another reader what to interpret, it is ok to discuss views but not to force ones beliefs on others.
Cheers Roac
Come on You Tube ... ( 3 weeks ago by roac7777)
Come on You Tube this is not a spam or negative comment. I am merely putting my case forward to someone whose head is bigger than his boots.
to a degree,it's ... ( 3 weeks ago by Cmey2k)
to a degree,it's obvious he's talking about God in the context of the writing in this interview.Tolkien did not want people to think his work a direct allegory.that's much different than saying that he didn't put his Catholic world view into the story, which he did. middle earth was before much revelation of God as the modern Christians know Him, that is why He is not spoken of much.Tolkien converted Lewis to Christianity by telling him that the myths of the pagans were forshadowing of Christ.
it is not about the ... ( 2 weeks ago by commercialx)
it is not about the readers interpretation.... even if the man who wrote it would like people to take from it what they want, its like saying i punched u in the face but the way u see it could be different than the way i see it u stupid fucks, the fact is jrr wrote this and he does have a meaning, no one knows it but him but to say that you have ur own interpretation is wrong because his interpretation is what that shit is so dont say anything about his shit let him do it. crazy fucks
astoundin' ( 2 weeks ago by Lion117)
astoundin'
Firstly, I dont ... ( 1 week ago by roac7777)
Firstly, I dont like your foul language commercialx, very orc like.
Secondly, with all art whether it be books, paintings and sculptures the artist has his/her own interpretation but just as importantly so does the reader or the viewer.
When we talk about our own interpretation we dont mean the main story line we are referring to the spiritual/religous side of the book.
Have a care and think before you write scurrilous remarks.
I have to beg to ... ( 1 week ago by roac7777)
I have to beg to differ Cmey2k insomuch that there is alot of Greek Mythology and Norse mythology in the books, ie: The Greek panteon of gods and norse ie The Undying lands - Valhalla. There are no churches, no Jesus or messiah.
Wizards, trolls, orcs, dragons are all part of norse myth.
In the end, like I have said before, there lies the readers interpretation of the spiritual side of the books.
what I speak about ... ( 1 week ago by Cmey2k)
what I speak about Tolkien snd mythology is common knowledge and not debated as to it's authenticity among scholars. i am speaking specifically of pagan fertility gods.
How Eru(Ilúvatar) ... ( 1 week ago by rodog69)
How Eru(Ilúvatar) or God as he is referred to by Tolkien here. Was of very little resembles to the Catholic God. But here is a little fun fact. When Gandalf died in the fight with the Balrog, it was beyond the power of the Valar to resurrect him: Ilúvatar himself intervened to send Gandalf back.
Tolkien ripped off ... ( 6 days ago by mythicalpoet)
Tolkien ripped off Wagner's Ring Trilogy--do the research for yourself before you bitch and moan and attack my character. And besides that he shares the profound racism of Wagner. You are probably ignorant of that fact as well. Tolkien was a literary hack and people would do well to know that. This is why he is not ackowledged as a great writer.
you must be joking ... ( 4 days ago by jonkind)
you must be joking right. he is a hack ? He is not acknowledged as a great writer ? where the f*** did you come from ? now see, i never even heard of a wagner ring trilogy isnt that funny ?
wagner's ring cycle ... ( 4 days ago by StLucas776)
wagner's ring cycle was an opera, and the only ring mentioned was a ring made by a dwarf with gold stolen from the rhine river. it certainly involved a lot of norse mythology, and may indeed have inspired tolkein, but in no way is he ripping it off
tolkein says so ... ( 4 days ago by Brew4me111)
tolkein says so himself in the forward of the fellow ship of the ring that the story is not an alagory for anything. it is his own history that he made up.
wagners ring ... ( 2 hours ago by Azgoltzolxith)
wagners ring trilogy was about the rings of norse mythology
the lord of the rongs trilogy has a completely different plot
of course there are good and evil in both but what the fuck, every story does.



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